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  • DBLeon
    Reply

    (Me) watching super in private….
    (Gt) walks in the room “Sooo what you doing?
    (Me) Ahhh nothing!…..
    (Gt) Your watching Super aren’t you!
    (Me) Nooo I would never do that!… I love you….
    (Gt) Just stop Ok.. I know you’ve been doing this for months..watching super behind my back!
    (Me) Well you see… its bc.. well…..
    (Gt) JUST SHUT UP! It’s bc she’s cooler then me right!!!
    (Me) No No… I mean.. better writing, No super annoying characters and creative fighting… but diff not cooler then your ssj4……
    (Gt) That’s it i’m leaving!!!!
    (Me) Wait don’t go babe!!!!
    (Gt) slams the door in my face
    (Me) Welp back to super I guess…..

  • TheLight
    Reply

    Is it going to be Vegito, though? If Vegeta is down after Zamasu’s last attack, how will he be able to do fusion? Will Goku and Trunks do fusion instead?

  • Windserpent
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    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this…but I don’t think that’s regular Vegito. He is wearing apprentice kami earrings.

  • Luxion
    Reply

    The main thing I noticed with Vegito, is that he’s not wearing his cocky smirk…

    In a few more days we’re about to see the full wrath of Vegito. (Can’t say I’m not pumped.)

  • Bingo
    Reply

    Zamasu can’t cant be kill thats why Zeno has to show up and do the honor. Maybe will lock him up for eternity due to his crime.

    • 24 123r
      Reply

      Nah, zeno would just wipe him out and in all the other timelines. Unless he doesn’t have master control over the other timelines, which would infer that there’s gonna be more than one zeno or some shit and then there’s conflict

  • DBSspolier
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    I’m telling you, vegito can’t beat zamasu due to immortal body, they in fuse and goku will a
    Ccidently press zen button, omni king will see zamasu and destroy him, end of arc

  • What?
    Reply

    What’s with the weird background noise? It’s like it’s playing the sound from 3 minutes ago in the background, behind the actual sound.

      • What?
        Reply

        By turning partly purple with the really stereotypical “grotesque” skin, and randomly growing a massive, bulging arm, and then bulking up. It’s like the holy trinity of anime stereotypes. That following the whole angelic phase in the last episode as well. It’s as if they’re trying really, really hard to imitate Devil May Cry, and even that was only able to avoid being a parody sometimes by being so campy and fun.

        • The Dragons Balls
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          Trunks was able to become stronger than vegitto temporarily by taking the energy from Goku Vegeta and all the other living things on the planet. I think he combined his new form and did the same thing that goku did when he absorbed the power of a spirit bomb. As far as why vegitto got split I think they have a time limit or something? hard to tell without subs

  • Lineker Moraes
    Reply

    I didn’t think they would screw this one up…

    Had potential to be the best episode in DB’ history, but…. *sigh*

  • LegendaryVegeta
    Reply

    its disappointing vegito for 1 episode i swear he needs to come back again i wanted to see whis and beerus react to vegito a spar or something

  • Steve Cripe
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    i love the fact trunks was the one to save his world and not another goku comes to the rescue. you had to figure that they would find a way to seperate vageto. then again if there is a new arc it would have been nice to see a whole arc with no vegeta and goku at the helm like its the only two that can fight in the series.

    • Wierdguy
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      i think they fucked up this episode so bad. first off how the fuck is trunks even alive like every time he goes to fight zamusa i think how is trunks gonna fight with just ssj form with a slight god power up. and how could he even stand one punch from zamusa also how did he even get that god power up. because goku had to get energy from all the saiyains and perform a ritual to get god form and then train to get blue. and vegita spent years training to get blue form but trunks (the 6th strongest z fighter in the series) can just get angry and get a god power up and start fighting gods one on one it just doesn’t make sense. even if it did why not bring every other saiyain to the future so they could get mad and get the god power up. even gohan and dont say “but gohan wasnt ready to fight bull” fuckin should’ve thrown him in the hyperbolic time chamber and got him ready zamusa wouldn’t have even gotten a second fight. (also how convenient is it that the hyperbolic time chamber is destroyed right before they go fight one of the strongest opponents in dragonball history

      • Wierdguy
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        did they not say at the begining of the fucking series that achieving god forms is not just getting mad and keep getting angrier and stronger until u unlock another transformation they say its about learning to control your energy so that you can go to god form. like this whole spand of episodes just shits on that guideline and says fuck it this is sooo much easier to wright. like they were sticking with idea right until zamusa like in the universe six tournament everyone had their own technique and it was about over powering the other but just having better skill and controlling your energy (like with hit traveling through time and goku finding a way to adapt to that fighting style) or (the robot guy trapping vageta in a closed areana that gradually got hotter and vageta having to find away to beat him through the heat) and this made for a different more complex approach on fighting db never touched upon before even gokus kioken was a example of goku controlling his body so that he can withstand so much power flowing threw but they throw this out the window just so trunks can be the hero for once.

        • OA
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          Well if you think about it, since trunks has been fighting a god (zamasu) for a while, he has been exposed to divine ki. Then training with vegeta and fighting with both of them along with fighting the immortal zamasu, that’s quite a bit of exposure to divine ki, which makes sense how he’s able to amplify his power with it.

        • Hyper Alpha Omega Guru
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          Im pretty sure its gonna turn out that it was Zeno giving trunks the power up, and thats where that energy came from. Or thats what would make sense

        • Marc van der Meijden
          Reply

          cant you jut be happy with a cool episode,people these days have to complain about everything they can complain about,like its a sport or something 😛

      • Mstone5244
        Reply

        in a way i did agree with you on many levels as i was reading the post but i did want to mention a few things, for one it is possible for trucks to keep us in this time line due do a couple of reasons the creater and i cant spell his name i am sorry but he did mention he wanted to bring broley back into the show some somehow and look at trunks hair when he did look alike in a a way and was the last sayian of that timeline, also he is half human and look at gohan, he surpassed goku at one point by going mystic because he had human emotions and with trunks that extra anger helped him to a new level and the boost to keep up. dont forget he does have tapians sword which is considerd mystic to. and with vegito i wanted gogeta in the long run but with what they did her was ok but could have been alot better. but the way they have trunks come in i can see it becasue of them reasons. and i did forget to mention the blue aura he gained was only some what of a god key vegita didnt need to go god to reach blue and it explained it at the beginning of supper but he was able to obtain it since that would be the next cannon level of a sayian transformation, vegita also tells kaba in the tournament that he to could reach that level with training and i know the whole logic is messed up

      • Majin Squall
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        “how could he even stand one punch from zamusa”
        I felt the same way when Hit was Fighting Goku Blue.. it seems to be the theme with Super.. power levels do not matter…..

        • Godmax
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          Why you comparing it to the Hit fight? Goku has legitimate god powers its a whole different understanding. Trunks is more or less a regular SSJ2 (a SSJ2 couldnt even do shit against any Buu in DBZ….). The whole Trunks saga didnt make sense ofc but apparently they wanted to revive Trunks badly to give him meaning again. No idea why but it happened he is the god the hero now 🙂 Thank god its over and done now. Back to the god era!

      • Marc van der Meijden
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        it seems that the theme is that haf saiyans have more open emotions and so can get greater strengt boosts from there emotions,this is way goku was Always ahead of vegeta he could acces his emtions much better and vegeta got better at it as the series moved along,and i gues it also depends on the need of power and how dire the situation is and how much power they need for the enemy.
        although goku cared about these people aswel he was not as involved with them as trunks was and when the situation seemed to risk of killing all that trunks new he got heartboost because he cares to much about these people to let it all be for nothing.
        dont underestimate the power of the heart ^^

  • RedExodus
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    Welp, that fusion sure didn’t last long. They apparently explained why Vegito defused vs Buu though w/ that 1hr time limit for mortals.

  • Joshton Sorrentino
    Reply

    can someone tell me why the fuck its titled sub and yet there are no fucking subs i fucking hate this every week….. FML

  • Jimy Batista
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    It should’ve been Gogeta (powerhouse version) of them. Even though Vegeto has speedy attacks and rolling up the sleeves with confidence, but coming up with GOGETA is even much extroardinary situation. Not to mention, Gogeta is insanely powerful, specially Super Sayan Blue.

    • ImHonor
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      I KNOW GOGETA ISNT CANON ITS FUN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IFS
      SSJ4 Gogeta > SSGSS Vegito in terms of power
      Gogeta seems faster (he punches omega shenron 3 times without him even seeing it)
      Pure power goes to Gogeta because goku and vegeta were already transformed to ssj4 then fused and its stated that if two people transform then fuse they would be stronger. (I DO AGREE THAT POTARA FUSION WOULD BE MORE POWERFUL THAN FUSION DANCE)
      Time goes to Vegito because obviously he doesn’t have a time limit.

      • Christopher
        Reply

        Zamasu is already vastly stronger than Omega Shenron, that’s why the fight is more even, not because SSB Vegito is weaker. SSB Vegito would destroy SSJ4 Gogeta.

    • bINgo
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      Zamasu was weakened extremely.
      Not to mention the fact that GOKU AND VEGETA gave him their energy.
      AND on top of their ki,he got the ki from the planet,sort of like a spirit bomb…sword?

      • dffgdfg
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        considering what was left on the planet and previous genkidama this is far to justify an energy greater than zamasu

        i would go more on a lucky strike (the good one to do that even vegeto could have done) that happen to seperate the mortal and immortal half, the first died with this and the second not being full get the same result i guess

        just hate the potara thing, this is bullshit it’s not suposed to work at all and was modified by the old kai to beat buu but no matter what it has always been a full time change, not this

        • BanjoForiee
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          Yes,the potara ex machina is absolute bullshit.
          It’s not justifiable at all. Terrible and lazy.
          Also,Vegito seemed a little weaker than i expected.
          Goku managed to handle Zamasu’s attack fairly well,and even go through it.
          AND HE DIDN’T EVEN EAT THE SENZU!
          The fusion should give a power level far higher than Goku’s. Multiple times,in fact. So why was Zamasu even able to put a scratch on Vegito?

          • Luxion

            Because fused Zamasu and Vegito were actually on the same level. Vegito just had a faster reaction time.

            Remember in the Revival of F saga when Whis told Goku and Vegeta their reaction time wasn’t fast enough because Vegita was too tense and Goku is too relaxed? Guess what happens when you put those two together and find the happy medium with Vegito?

        • darkracer
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          it’s not that it’s a greater power.
          it’s that it’s a special kind of power.
          a mixture between diffrent kinds of power.
          earthling power. sayian power. kai power. god ki. on the other hand.
          who says trunks killed him?
          didn’t you see. zeno in the next episode. maybe he just erased zamasu

    • BanjoForiee
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      I do not agree with the “Truns surpassing Goku and Vegeta” but i do agree with the Potara “ex-machina”,back in DBZ,elder Kai literally said “It’s forever” and even the most senile old man wouldn’t forget to say “oh but just a sec,it only lasts for an hour if you’re not a good,lol! sorry!” not to mention they didn’t “overload” the potara’s in DBZ either.

      • Sasuke Uchiha
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        If they had shown Trunks’s progress by training and so on, I wouldn’t write something like that.. He literally had no chance against a Ssj3 Goku but around 2 days later he’s able to keep up with Ssj Blue?! wth

        • BanjoForiee
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          That isn’t NOT TRUE. But,Saiyans do get stronger with rage.
          Also,he seemed to unlock a “Mystic” form similar to Gohan’s.
          He’s a half saiyan and i believe their power is more affected with emotions than most other things. Remember at the start of DBZ? Gohan’s power level was only around…what…100 maximum? He got so mad and managed to wound Raditz,who had a power level roughly 15 times higher than his.
          So,since Trunks is also a half Saiyan,maybe he DID unlock some kind of..mystic…god..like..form..thing? I mean,he could sense their Ki,even though they were gods and all. Maybe a “Mystic” Gohan? Or a…Ultimate Gohan? Who knows?

          • BanjoForiee

            Also,i meant to say “Mystic” TRUNKS. and Ultimate Trunks respectively.
            I type very quickly so i often make mistakes,sorry.

          • Sasuke Uchiha

            You could be right, I’m just not OK with the “getting all strong in a short time” concept.. but I’m glad that finally someone else got the glory rather then Goku being the last man standing

          • Sparkz

            Let’s not forget Saiyan Power which makes the Saiyans stronger as they fight. The whole time Trunks had to push himself to keep getting stronger and match up with the gods. It does suck a little though. I also think it’s temporary.

          • Majin Squall

            yeah but you that cant explain bridging that power gap its too much of a substantial difference…. Super fucks up with these details constantly but overall im pretty satisfied with the series (minus the retelling of two movies portion)

      • darkracer
        Reply

        but elder kai was an idiot compared to gowasu.
        and as you said he was senile.
        they could have been wrong. maybe it wasn’t buu who unfused vegeta and goku when he absorbed them.
        maybe it was just the time limit

    • Shubham Shubhankar Sahoo
      Reply

      They have given their godly ki to trunks and zamasu was also weakened by vegito or he should not be able to defeat him

      • darkracer
        Reply

        that’s the thing.
        his sword was a mix of everyone’s diffrent types of energy.
        it was this mixture that somehow overpowered zamasu.
        it turned into somekind of magic.

    • ☠ ⓜⓐⓓⓝⓔⓢⓢ ☠
      Reply

      no no no, just no .. the potara time limit was a good thing.
      now they have more reasons to train and get stronger instead of relying on the potara everytime they encounter a strong enemy.

      • BanjoForiee
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        That’s not the problem.
        The problem is that they literally threw everything we know about the Potara into the trash,basically. The Potara was a “Permanent fusion,you will stay in that fusion forever,unless you use the Dragon Balls,or get affected by a magic force greater than that of the earrings themselves (Like Buu’s absorption ability)” Now,they made the Potara a slightly stronger version of the Fusion dance,lasting only an hour and being “unable to take his power” which is absolutely lazy dipshit writing on their part.

        • darkracer
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          but that’s the thing. with this new information that gowasu gave us (a WAY more knowledgeable kai then all the kais we knew in dbz put together)
          we can safely say that it wasn’t buu that unfused them.
          infact if the fusion was permanent it would have ment that buu would have won back in dbz.

      • AnonymousTheory
        Reply

        on the contrary, i think its the opposite. The “forever” thing is the consequence to being overpowered. Vegeta/goku could always make the promise not to lose their individual minds unless the threat is whis-level severe or higher, and even then when all options are gone and they sacrifice themselves to being vegito.

        The time limit takes that away, meaning goku can always go “it’ll be just an hour” to a pouty but somewhat agreeable vegeta.

    • Sniber
      Reply

      Dude trunks just gathered power from everybody including goku vegeta. Thats not called “surpassing goku, vegeta” Also Goku’s kamehameha did better than vegeta + trunks combined galik gun so goku is the strongest of the three even without kioken.

      black with his rage and scythe is perhaps even stronger than goku because the producer said it that apart from beerus/whis, black is strongest in this saga

      but kioken goku must be even stronger than black

  • Mortal
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    they have ruined all the concept of vegito’s character with that new limitation…..
    their fusion was suppose to last forever!!!!!!!!

          • TheSherlockHokage

            True, but the episode was really disappointing though. Vegito time limit, Trunks making a spirit bomb, the spirit bomb being stronger than Buu’s with few people, Trunks surpassing SSB Goku times Vegeta.

          • OA

            Well vegito’s time limit is the only explanation for how he first unfused. I wouldn’t have cared if they stayed vegito or not originally, but most fans wouldn’t want that. As for the spirit bomb thing, it wasn’t quite as powerful as goku’s from the buu saga. Trunks was able to overcome zamasu cuz he had the shit beat out of him. And goku and vegeta gave their energy directly to trunks, and we can probably assume that gowasu and supreme Kai pitched in a little too. And trunks himself is using a bit of divine ki and is almost as strong as goku and vegeta anyways.

          • GuyWithOpinion

            Umm it looked like that spirit bomb with gathered from multiple universes. Didn’t you see Kame house glowing with energy? In that case it was much stronger than Gokus.

          • Sparkz

            Dissapointing cause it wasn’t what anyone expected. (Vegito destroying Zamasu), but in all it was something new and different that in my guess won’t be happening ever again.

          • TheSherlockHokage

            I wasn’t disappointed because of what you said. I was disappointed because of the non sense that happened that I mentioned above.

    • george kalotyhos
      Reply

      actually they havent if u remember in dbz the kai’s didnt knew what the potara did the kaioshin was useless in dbz expect the elder kai that helped gohan but thats all they did gowasu is actually more years probably than them and he had special training the kai’s in goku’s universe didnt had they all had died cause of buu and vegito still is a annoying person that drives u crazy like he did in buu i dont see the problem

    • Sniber
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      everyone though vegito’s attack hurted zamasu, but in truth, it was Goku’s kamehamea which melted off zamasu’s face and destroyed his halo. Also kioken goku even knocked out merged zamasu. All hail goku !

    • SCHÄDEL[Emirat]
      Reply

      Why the EP is shit:

      1. vegetto wasnt as strong as he should be

      2. Goku use his Kaioken, although he said he can’t use it.

      3. Potaras just work 1 hour? WHAT THE FUCK – it was always like: permanently,(see dbz

      4. Trunks gets energy… He can get EVERY FUCKING energy on the world, they are just human they don’t have energy, and why he can beat zamasu? ITS NOT LIKE THE SPIRIT BOMB-> trunks didnt even said give me energy etc. and also there aren’t even many people on earth anymore lol, and the energy of goku and vegetal was probably at 0.

        • k3 3k
          Reply

          it wasn’t as bad as the last episode… but yea i agree. I thinks super in general sucks… i was looking forward to some Vegetto action but this was a dissappointment… knew this series was fuked from the get when the rules started to change and none of the characters were being utilized… its all Goku with a side of Vegeta.

          • Brandon Jonath Richard

            how about all you faggots shut the fuck up because no one cares. Or keep going.

            Nobody cares IT’S AN ANIME. No one gives fuck if you don’t think it doesn’t make sense. (now awaiting comments from no lifers from this thread, that I will not see anyway)

          • Thomas

            Dragon Ball sould have stayed in our loving memories. This is just
            embarrasing. Repeating the same cycle over and over by just bringing in
            more gods and changing hair color.,

          • Madara_ Uchiha

            its not the same cycle, they went into trunks’s universe and helped HIM to defeat Zamasu. Trunks is now the star of the show for now(him and vegeta), do you even fucking watch it?!

          • Thomas

            That is so negligible that it’s sad that you brought it up. A plot change explained in less than one sentence.

          • Talik Singletary

            You can explain any plot change in less than one sentence for example:

            the top spinning means you in a dream world, at the end the movie cut to black before we could see if it kept spinning.

            Bam and Inception is a complicated asf movie

          • Madara_ Uchiha

            but vegeta surpasses goku the instant he got ssj blue transformation? really?! the ONLY reason goku got the ssj blue transformation is because of the god transformation power boost, vegeta got it all on his own, through the same training as goku from Whis-sama.

        • NoClipMode
          Reply

          It was a pretty good ep, but Vegito definitely should have been WAY more powerful. Even in base form, without going blue, Zamasu shouldn’t have been a match for him.

          And why are all you fags spelling it “Vegetto”? Plebs.

        • Brandon Jonath Richard
          Reply

          how about all you faggots shut the fuck up because no one cares. Or keep going.

          Nobody cares IT’S AN ANIME. No one gives fuck if you don’t think it doesn’t make sense. (now awaiting comments from no lifers from this thread, that I will not see anyway) . . a

      • Nefton
        Reply

        1 . vegetto was beating the shit out of zamasu before the split
        2. nobody says that he can`t use it .. he only need to recover from last time that he used it .
        3.goku and vegeta had a lot of energy left .
        4 it permanently only for the gods . even in buu saga they split up

          • Abraham Iglesias

            That trick in the Buu saga when they were absorbed was to prevent Buu from absorbing their abilities and power. C’mon now, try to remember the episodes a little better

          • Buck

            The trick they used is they placed an energy barrier over themselves before the goo got them , so he couldn’t digest them an absorb their powers

        • Mirias Gates
          Reply

          The potara is fusion for all time… The reason why they split up in Buu saga was because Buu’s something magic digestive body deformed them with the old fat kai’s abilities.

          • Mirias Gates

            Actually… I have all the books right next to me on my bookcase, and it clearly states from supreme kai “If you use the potara fusion, you will be unable to separate, are you sure about this?”

          • DBLeon

            I repling to comment on why Vegtio defused in the buu arc. we all thought that he defused bc of buu body. now we know that’s not true.. Also yes that’s right it you use the potara you will be fused forever, BUT if youre a Kai or god. Old kai had never used it on a mortal, so he had no idea that it had a time limit for a mortal. Yes it’s a copout.. but it’s a copout that existed in the buu saga and now they explained it.

          • Sjoerd

            The Supereme Kai was younger then the older kai here. To be fair, Supreme Kai could have just been wrong. How many times do you think non-supreme-kai’s use the portara? He could have just thought it would be forever.

            Is it wrong? No. Could they have made it more fun? Yes. Goku and Vegeta can use the non-portara fusion, why would they use portara? Why would Goku suggest it instead of the normal fusion? As far as they know, its forever. WHY WOULD ANYONE SUGGEST THAT SO CASUALLY.

          • Randy Bailey

            That’s because the fusion technique forms gogeta and the potara forms vegito, the reason he said it so casually is because he knew it was one of their only chances to beat this guy.

        • Abraham Iglesias
          Reply

          In the buu saga at the time, it wasn’t really stated why they unfused. But this is the new reason as to why they split up.

        • Brandon Jonath Richard
          Reply

          how about all you faggots shut the fuck up because no one cares. Or keep going.

          Nobody cares IT’S AN ANIME. No one gives fuck if you don’t think it doesn’t make sense. (now awaiting comments from no lifers from this thread, that I will not see anyway).

      • stone_ play666
        Reply

        i get your point i told myself the same, but it was also a really good episode man. Don’t let the little details or doubts that you have blind you from the fact that dragon ball is freaking amazing.
        I would’ve liked if vegito had defeated zamasu himself but trunks also kinda deserves it. He never stop fighting and became stronger like the sayin he is, and with his rage his will and the help from everybody he was able to defeat zamasu and i’m actually ok with that . It remembers me the time when trunks came from the future and defeated Cell which was also cool.
        My point is Dragon Ball is freaking awsome

        • Beast Wolf
          Reply

          In other words you deny the obvious. Schadel made some great points. Your rebuttals were so weak. Just your typical fan boy denials. Can’t accept any logical criticisms.

          • giot

            Are you joking?? In Buu saga Goku and Vegeta made the fusion even if they knew it was supposed to be forever. For marketing reason the writers had to find a way to have Goku and Vegeta back as separate charachters,
            So they told us that inside Buu fusion was not valid anymore.
            Now fusion in the end is just like the fusion dance…
            The solution was so easy: Zen-oh can do everything… there was with no reason to put this bullshit story of the 1 hour….Anyway we’re talking of Dragon Ball, so I don’t expect any consistency..

          • Marc van der Meijden

            how can you built on logic with a emotion driven episode like this? are you human? just be in the moment man and let others be in there moment aswel.

          • stone_ play666

            I said i understood where he was coming from and i even thought the same, but that doesn’t make the episode any less awesome. But hey feel free to think you’re better just cause you disagree about what i think. Glad i made you’re day, duchebag

      • Marc van der Meijden
        Reply

        the light was metaforicly the strengt of life itself,of the good in everyone and the compassion and love for eachother that drives to work together,this was a metafor for the essence of life itself and zamasu became the polar oppaside,he represent the darkness that cant win when light shows itself 🙂

      • Saber
        Reply

        1 yes he was because he was beating him until the fusion was undone
        2 he can just not for long because he’ll get messed up
        3 don’t u remember what happened to vegeto in dbz
        4 can’t argue with this one. even if he did, they shouldn’t be able to beat zamasu but goku and vegeta’s energy was there too

      • Jim Turnner
        Reply

        1. You just didn’t watch the episode otherwise you would’ve seen vegito’s dominance.
        2. He said ‘he couldn’t use it for a while’ and that was in the last arc and has had plenty of rest and training, of course he didn’t me forever, use ur head.
        3. Seriously just fuck off.
        4. The fact that you said ‘humans don’t have energy just shows u have no idea what your talking about and the rest of that argument just shows how little u know without someone holding ur hand through every detail, just read my comment above. smh.

      • Marc van der Meijden
        Reply

        1 we saw vegito fight we never saw his full power,second the patora’s might have originaly been for a whole lifetime but lets face it the potara’s where never used on people with that kinda power and life energie is indeed currently meshured by what a general person spend of energie in 1 lifeitmes so thats where the its perminent comes from but there can Always be loopholes,when we first got vegito it only lasted untill buu ate them it was never realy explained but this same reason can verry wel apply there and i never heard annyone say the episodes where shit back then so its infact not inconsistant but actualy verry consistant.
        and how manny times where the earrings used? maybe only on kai’s where it is perminant so think a little before you call things out lol.
        also it wasnt even or only there energie that trunks took it was there light and light can be stong or weak depending on willpower and intension.

      • Kyle Joultz
        Reply

        Wrong:
        1:Vegito was clearly on top so much so that the fusion lasted less than an hour.

        2:He couldn’t use it because of the immense strain on his body and potential ki risking side effects.It’s a last ditch effort move and with both his arms broken and a one leg restrain i think the risks don’t outweigh the situation.

        3:You are neglecting the fact that the Supreme Kai from Universe 7 is the last of the Kais and did not receive extensive training on potara fusion. Furthermore, it has been a long time since a mortal has been in a presence of a Kai and Kai tech so the Kai’s were clearly not aware.

        4:Trunks has been displaying God energy manipulation since ep 62 and Yes, its not like the Spirit Bomb. This is Trunk’s Hidden ability much like Gohans and a step up above a mere Spirit bomb. This is Spirit Energy manipulation beyond a bomb. And Goku and Vegeta were far from 0. At the least SSJ level. Trunks shows great potential, not many learn about spirit energy and no more than a handful discover the power by themselves and turn it up a notch.

        • Madara_ Uchiha
          Reply

          which ssj, when goku first discovered it, or the cell saga, or buu saga? Its did get more powerful with them as they went on

        • Brandon Jonath Richard
          Reply

          how about all you faggots shut the fuck up because no one cares. Or keep going.

          Nobody cares IT’S AN ANIME. No one gives fuck if you don’t think it doesn’t make sense. (now awaiting comments from no lifers from this thread, that I will not see anyway) . .

          • Kyle Joultz

            Wrong; It’s not just an Anime; it’s 1 of the Best Anime of all time with a following in the millions not that it matters.The point is that DBZ/DBS is not only Legendary(no pun intended), it is Historic in more ways than 1. And in the contrary,it makes perfect sense.

      • izzle
        Reply

        he took the energy from the trees and everything bro not just humans and they do have energy how do you think goku gathered his spirit bomb against buu.
        vegeto killed him about five times but he was immortal
        goku said he cant use it for a long period of time b/c it drains his energy its meant for quick bursts like that.
        goku and vegeta got hit like 2 times after the fusion wore off im sure they had plenty of energy to donate.

        if you are gonna insult the new show at least know the old one

      • Kasra Azarkish
        Reply

        1-Vegito wasn’t able to use all his power as Gowasu said ,”They’ve used up the power to sustain the fusion” 17:34
        2-Goku obtained the Super Saiyan Blue form, which required perfect innate ki control and a calm mind and during his training he developed the new Kaio-ken technique.
        3-We don’t know about that because the time they fought Majin Buu the battle didn’t take long and they were observed by him.
        4-Ki is in humans, animals, planets, plants and rocks.There are three main components of Ki, Courage, energy and mind.Even the spirit bomb was used against Frieza was gathered from grass , water , rocks, animals.and Trunks’s allies fervently pray for his victory, causing him to unconsciously channel the energy of everyone.

        So maybe your knowledge and paying attention to what the FUCKs is going’s shit. 🙂

      • Randy Bailey
        Reply

        They explained why the potaras didn’t keep them fused, in the episode nonetheless, goku said he could only use it for a brief time, refer to the God of destruction tournament for proof. And THEYRE FUCKING HUMANS OFC THEY HAVE FUCKING ENERGY XD we are a walking 9volt battery. It’s all about their will correlating with his, it’s actually a very spiritual thing, so I’m not surprised someone with your low IQ, who couldn’t even remember half the plot that explained everything here, couldn’t understand this very simple idea.

      • Madara_ Uchiha
        Reply

        yah, probably at zero for what goku and vegeta are used to having recently, but they are at the levels of gods, that “0” could still be well over enough to destroy the universe. this episode was fucking awesome, i for one am happy the focus of characters is shifting toward trunks and vegeta. goku and gohan have had the spotlight for too long. and humans do have energy, especially when they survived through the cell saga and buu saga, stronger than you at least.

      • Brandon Jonath Richard
        Reply

        how about all you faggots shut the fuck up because no one cares. Or keep going.

        Nobody cares IT’S AN ANIME. No one gives fuck if you don’t think it doesn’t make sense. (now awaiting comments from no lifers from this thread, that I will not see anyway) . . . .

      • Luke Linahan
        Reply

        Well Let’s see

        1) Vegito was the fusion of 2 powerful saiyans. Yes. But, 2 saiyans who just got their asses kicked, spent ALL their energy , and was only as powerful as their base forms and that was only because of the senzu bean. Vegito didn’t have much power going into the transformation, because Goku and Vegito didn’t have much to put into it.

        2) This is true. Although, Goku only used it for about 3 seconds to kick him down, and afterwards lost all his Blue and Kaioken. He didn’t sustain it and fight with it, and then REACTIVATE IT AGAIN WITHIN 2 MINUTES, like he did with HIT. Plus Hit beat on most of his vitals, muscles, tissue, everything while Goku was also using the form.

        3) Potaras only work 1 hour for mortals. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS. See DBZ? That explains WHY they split up inside of Buu. It makes perfect sense that only Gods fuse permanently, and mortals cannot. We always thought Buu’s body was just fucking weird and somehow cancelled the fusion, but no, this works as a good explanation.

        4) Goku gathered energy for a spirit bomb against Buu FROM HUMANS you mongoloid. The hell are you saying humans don’t have energy? Trunks doesn’t have to say give me energy, from the pit of their souls, they were giving all they had to cheer for trunks, if anything Trunks probably subconsciously fueled himself with their energy, kind of like a leech, or they subconsciously gave it to him. Goku and Vegeta giving it to him..well..that one i’m iffy about cause after a fusion, losing the power the sustain it,a nd then taking that massive of a blow, they shouldn’t have had shit to give lol. But they were still conscious, so they had..something to give.

        Trunks was in a psuedo Blue form, then fueled with energy from what was left alive on the planet. Goku has done the same thing before. He has conjured a spirit bomb, and then absorbed it into himself to boost himself. Trunks did it, then redirected the energy to his broken sword to temporarily fix it so he could fight with it, and boost it’s actual power.

        Sounds a bit nuts true, but it’s a saga about gods, fusion, and the ability to fight without blowing a planet up even tho their power levels are so fucking astronomical that a time machine isn’t powerful enough to reach the end of that chain of fucking numbers representing it.

      • Marlow2000
        Reply

        I liked the episode but, it pisses me off SO MUCH, THAT THEY KEEP GIVING TRUCKS POWER OUT OF FUCKING NO WHERE! Like he is just a fucking sayayin, not even SSG level yet, SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW IN BLOODY FUCK WAS TRUNKS STRONG ENOGTH TO BEAT SOMEONE WHO WAS PROBABLY A MILLION TIMES STRONGER THEN HIM!?!?! And the spirit bomb thingy does not help since he got the energy in almost a blink of a eye without epirience, to be honest I would had liked this episode more if Trunks died and Vegito got pissed and killed Zamasu

  • Deeznutzgotem
    Reply

    ah I liked this wee episode way more action than their typical talk a lot to kill time . It was 95% action 5% talk, can’t wait for next week.

  • Deeznutzgotem
    Reply

    think if they used the green potara they’d last forever. because they went vegito blue with the yellow it used so much power that it made it limited for them. super vegito with yellow potara earrings unlimited time vegito blue with yellow potara limited time.

  • Luxion
    Reply

    A couple of things I loved about this episode:

    1. Vegito making an appearance (I peed a little)

    2. Vegito punching Zamasu during is little rant (Glorious)

    3. Vegito making fun of Zamasu rant #2

    4. Spirit Sword

    5. Remember the movie Super 13? Well the Spirit Bomb-powered Super Saiyan is back with a cool new sword transformation (Imma call it the Super Spirit Sword for kicks)

    6. Trunks saved the day instead of Goku. (About godd**n time!)

  • Ravi Rathore
    Reply

    Vegito……. More like Deus ex machina. Now don’t get me wrong…. I loved Vegito…. but this episode was bullshit….. Trunks having convenient powers when needed……DBS creating new logic as they move along….. and Vegito was there and gone just cuz REASONS…..

      • Ravi Rathore
        Reply

        In that case Sensu and more attacks by Goku n Vegeta would have done the same….. Dragged more time but get the same result…..

        • Luxion
          Reply

          Well the reason Vegito was needed and the reason Zamasu one-shoted Goku and Vegeta after the un-fusion was because Vegito’s union isn’t just taking Goku and Vegeta’s powers and putting them together. Vegito is a combo of their strengths as well.

          Remember in the Revival of F saga when Whis told Goku and Vegeta their reaction time wasn’t fast enough because Vegeta is too tense and Goku is too relaxed? This is a good example because Vegito gets both of these traits and combines them to form what Whis was looking for.

          • Ravi Rathore

            OK….. even if i agree to all that….. how do u explain Trunks using….. Spirit Sword, Spirit Bomb and fusing with Spirit Bomb( as done by Goku in super andoid 13)…. I get it when he used Galick gun… but what about other moves????

          • Luxion

            Who knows… instinct? He did learn the Mafuba by watching a recording of Piccolo do it. Maybe he watched a recording of Goku doing it?

            Truly? Idk. The best explanation I have is that Trunks instinctualy formed the spirit bomb energy accidentally when he did that weird glowing thing Yajirobe was freaking out about, somehow.

            As for the sword. I don’t think it’s that hard for them to channel energy through a medium.

          • Zeroiced

            Remember though, that when Goku fought Super 13 he absorbed the spirit bomb just like Trunks did here BUT Goku did not know afterwards what he had done nor how he did it. At the very end of the Super 13 movie. when they’re in the hospital, someone asks Goku what he had done and he replied he remember anything about the fight.

            So it kinda makes sense that Trunks did it by instinct just like Goku did i guess.

          • OA

            He actually saw goku use the spirit bomb and absorb it. He was there for the fight with super android 13. It makes perfect sense that he’s able to perform the spirit bomb. Plus I think it’s a bit more than a regular technique, that probably requires believing in yourself or something cheesy like that

        • Gabe
          Reply

          Yeah, I think Goku and Vegita could have beaten Zamasu. I think they just got surprised by the hit. Like, “oh shit we broke apart, what???” And Zamasu immediately counter attacked. So, just surprise. Pretty sure they could have won after that, but Trunks needed his time in the sun.

    • CantIJustUseMine
      Reply

      Yeah, Dragon Ball Super definitely creates new canon logic and logical fails as it goes along…Future Trunks suddenly having blue hair after it being purple all this time and Kid Trunks still having purple hair, irrelevant, dowdy middle-aged Mai and her Pilaf Gang conveniently being turned into babies with the Dragon Balls just before the android saga just so some un-called for almost- romance can be forced between Trunks and some useless lady (who’s older than his parents) instead of a new female Z-fighter-type character around his actual age (or gasp! a female saiyan! Heaven forbid the fanboys finally get to see a relevant saiyan girl in the series!) being put in Mai’s role, fusion miraculously only being able to last an hour for non-kais when that’s not how it was explained in Z, Trunks being able to go toe-to-toe with gods without being allowed to get the god transformation first, Baby Pan being able to breathe in space and fly around without baby Trunks, Kid Gohan (pre-Frieza saga), or kid Goten being able to do any of that when they were her age….

        • Godmax
          Reply

          They could include Goten yeah but NOT for the main arc there is no way anymore that ship has sailed BUT they could do a sideline like Goten and Trunks in a different universe helping out or sth. BUT the episodes are too short for all of that ^^. Its a dilemma….they should just give us 200+ episodes and show at least 2 every week 🙂

      • Sleepy Champuru
        Reply

        Toriyama said trunks hair color, along with bulma’s and mr. briefs solely depended on which marker was laying around at the time. Hair color as far as not being transformed has held zero relevance with the Briefs family since Dragon Ball itself.

      • Sleepy Champuru
        Reply

        Pan is also a relevant Saiyan Girl who will appear and has appeared in the series. But i think you mean mean a super saiyan girl, correct? Also hasn’t Geni already been featured in the Super Manga or confirmed and projected to be? I guess that doesn’t count, since thats a saiyan woman.

      • Sleepy Champuru
        Reply

        You can’t really underestimate Trunks. Let’s not forget how strong gohan was. In comparisons to their fathers at their corresponding age then, the children were potentionally stronger as half saiyans. Gohan went toe-to-toe with Majin as Mystic. While Goku used a SSJ3 transformation to level the playing field.

        • Scott Baker
          Reply

          from my understanding mystic gohan form surpassed ssj 3 goku but i think point people are making is. trunks power ups. for example.

          ssj3 goku lost to beerus, after becoming a god and absorbing its power
          base goku > stronger then ssj3 goku. if that maths applies
          when trunks was intrudiced in manga and anime its implied he was able to beat struggle but beat dabura. and trained his ssj2 to acces ssj3 power now if we do that math. trunks full power = goku when in ssj3 during buu saga.

          BASE GOKU is stronger then that so if multiplyet works any transformation goku dose would easly out match trunks..
          but they made ssj2 trunks equal to a boosted up ssj3 goku. maske no sence

        • Scott Baker
          Reply

          its possible that godly form trunks dose is a half saiyans vartion of ssj blue. being only half saiyan there human genetics prevents them from going like goku and vegeta?

          • Marc van der Meijden

            i dont see it as a prevention more like a dififent expression of a god saiyan,maybe trunk can get the blue god mode or maybe this is his version who knows.

      • Marc van der Meijden
        Reply

        wel the purple to blue hair can be explained,when a person grows up they can change haircolor slightly,i started with white/blond hair and now i got light brown hair,they didnt say it was this reason but it can be. and i like the mai trunk thing its legit and honest relationship,try not to complain about everything lol

        • CantIJustUseMine
          Reply

          The absence of Bulla is another weird thing about super. Originally both in non-canon GT and in the canon end of dragon ball Z, she was shown as being about a year or two older than Pan, but now in Super Pan is here, but Bulla is nowhere to be seen and Bulma hasn’t announced a pregnancy yet. Some people are saying this just means Toriyama has conveniently decided to make Bulma and Vegeta’s daughter younger than Goku’s granddaughter, but I think old Toriyama just forgot she ever existed (since she’s not from Goku’s family) and she’ll either never be seen or mentioned at all or DBS is going to do something else kooky like make Bulla a child of Trunks and Mai.

          • Marc van der Meijden

            ya,i dont like how some semi important stuf is just forgotten,bulla was a fun dynamic with vegeta.
            you cant just leave stuf that was in out if you ask me,be consistant if they wanna write charc out wel fine but write them out dont just make them disappear or never seen again,specialy when its vegeta’s daughter.

    • Flo
      Reply

      Yeah I always roll my eyes when a character gets deus ex machina. I wanted Trunks to be the one who defeats Zamasu, but not like this, not Goku like.

    • Sean
      Reply

      I couldn’t agree more… total cop out total disappointment. Trunks absorbs a weak ass spirt bomb and is now more powerful that vegito. I want whatever drugs he is on…

      • OA
        Reply

        Vegito was gonna kill zamasu if he got energy from people instead of trunks. And keep in mind we still don’t know what trunk’s transformation is. It clearly involves divine ki which gives him an incredible amount of power. That combined with energy from the planet, goku, vegeta, and probably gowasu and supreme Kai is just enough to finish him off.

        • Marc van der Meijden
          Reply

          + i think vegito had already weakened zamasu at that point,shure he got stronger but lost speed,zamasu was in a sort of bulked up ssj form in his own version.
          even the yellow dude said that zamasu was slowly degrading if you payed attension.

      • Beast Wolf
        Reply

        At least it takes a long time and it’s gathered from billions of living things. Not like Trunks where he gathers hax energy from a small number of survivors. Your typical fan boy logic

        • Jim
          Reply

          You must be a little faggot Goku fanboy. If your brain could process the episode correctly you would see that Trunks borrowed energy from multiple universes and timelines to power up, Kame House and Frankenstein aren’t part of trunks future timeline nor universe. Get off Gokus dick little Faggot fan boy.

          • Zardock

            You completely missed the point of .. well everything. You might wanna refrain from attempting any arguments in the future or get your ass beat just for being so damn stupid.

          • Prysym

            At no point did it even in the slightest show Trunks drawing energy from multiple universes and timelines, where you are spewing this garbage from?

    • Tony MP
      Reply

      Sorry but wasn’t the seperation of vegitto in the buu saga a deus ex machina itself?
      For me it has more logic that there is a time limit to it, than : ”WOAH , we did we unfuse when we let the barrier down” in buu’s body.

  • CantIJustUseMine
    Reply

    Since Goku’s original super saiyan god transformation required the energy of saiyans, it would be kind of interesting if a super saiyan god transformation for Trunks could use energy from either saiyans or humans, since he’s both. I hope we do get to see Trunks with a god transformation, especially since he has no powerful allies in his timeline (he’s stuck with some bland, boring, basic human chick older than his mama as an ally instead of some type of new female z-fighter character/saiyan).

  • Tonys Ansonī Misirgis
    Reply

    I love how they turned the plot but please dont say goku didnt kill again the enemy , cause goku won only frieza alone… Not androids not cell and kid buu with vegeta help

  • Sus K
    Reply

    Very good episode. I thought all the main focus would be on Vegito but I was wrong and I’m okay with that. I honestly thought Trunks was gonna launch a Spirit Bomb. Freaking amazing [episode].

  • Nanya
    Reply

    Oh geez…

    Anyone else getting GT vibes from this fight?

    Seriously, same thing in GT, fusion should have lasted a set amount of time, Fusion beyond what’s normal and the time limit is cut down tremendously.

    • Sus K
      Reply

      i think it’s just some fan service from Toriyama’s part. It’s a new series after all so Vegitto shouldn’t take all the credit. Trunks was amazing

      • Nanya
        Reply

        Yes he was…

        And that ending was *SO* GT. The Spirit Bomb to finish off someone that the fused Goku and Vegeta couldn’t handle?

        …Nice homage at least.

  • Ravie
    Reply

    The little girl who gave trunks his broken sword was voiced by Kana Hanazawa wasn’t she? I can’t be wrong on this right? Oo

  • Sparkz
    Reply

    So seems like next week is end of Zamasu saga. Do I smell Zeno wanting to destroy Trunks? Is Goku going to beg? Will Krillin be revived in the Future? Find out on the next Dragon Ball Z.

    • Jay
      Reply

      It’s something different rather than just fist fighting dbs is introducing something different and bleach they use actual swords not ki they have there bankia abilities were talking two different things not too many similarities and in my opinion a horrible comparison

  • Jay
    Reply

    These comments about it not making sense are so dumb how many times does everybody want to see the same things some new things were introduced and it wasn’t what everyone expected it wasn’t what I expected but rather examining it and complaining I simply watch it enjoyed it which what people need to do when watching anime instead of being so damn closed minded that’s bs after watching a great episode of Dbs looking at all these closed minded dumb ass comments.

    • John Thompson
      Reply

      “some new things were introduced and it wasn’t what everyone expected it”
      Soooo… In DBZ Elder Kai explains that the Potara Earrings fusion was Permanent.
      In DBS, they changed said Potara earrings to a 1 Hour fusion if non-kai.
      That isn’t a new thing. That’s shooting your fans in the dick, whose more up to date with the fucking anime than the creator.

  • Dabu #ThirstGod
    Reply

    It’s finally over good saga now on to the tournament, I hope! I knew Trunks was strong as hell he showed me something I hope Gohan starts fighting again because he still hasn’t reached his full potential.

    • John Thompson
      Reply

      You are seriously behind. Gohan already unlocked his full potential with Elder Kai. Its just that cause he stopped training after the fight with Super Buu, he became so weak to the point that he’s weaker than a SSJ.

      • Dabu #ThirstGod
        Reply

        I already know about Ultimate Gohan I’m talking about transforming into different levels of Super Saiyan…We’ve only seen Super Saiyan 2 Gohan

        • John Thompson
          Reply

          We’re not gonna see any form beyond SSJ2 for Gohan.
          They nerfed Vegito to the ground with the Potara Time limit. Akira Toriyama forgot the fact that Buu saga happened and was mentioned that the earrings was permanent and we’re sure Elder Kai ain’t gonna forget about some non-mortal time limit non sense.
          The last we seen of Gohan was right there at the Golden Frieza saga where he was piss poor weak and got smashed around by Final Form Frieza even though during Buu, his power was on par if not equal to SSJ3 tier.
          DBS is full of shit now.

          • Dabu #ThirstGod

            Yea I agree with you Dragon Ball Super seems to just be all over the place like they’re just making stuff up as they go along and didn’t have time to sit and think about this one.

  • Zardock
    Reply

    Okay.. all the Vegito hype and then the fusion/battle lasts not even 5 minutes.. then magically Trunks is as strong as SSGSS Vegito… Great direction we’re heading with this anime. We all want more side characters to be relevant, but giving them ridiculous huge power boosts with no explanation is not the way to do it. (Yeah sure he got some energy from everyone, but even before that he is somehow close to being on par with SSGSS Goku/Vegeta, while he is only in USS/SS2 Form?)

    I was hyped for this episode, but this is always how Dragonball Super has handled things so I shouldn’t be surprised. I didn’t even mention them randomly deciding portara earings had a time limit when it was claimed to be permanent in DBZ, because that’s not really an issue, especially when they only use Vegito for not even 5 minutes.

    • Kleice
      Reply

      I am happy that they made Trunks relevant again.. but seriously there should have been some sort of training between him and Vegeta where Trunks can finally go SSG/SSGSS… making him randomly strong enough to kill Zamasu after he has barely been training is just stupid and inconsistent. No one’s power means anything in Dragon Ball Super. Person X can be twice as strong as Person Y, and then randomly (with no explanation whatsoever), next episode Person Y will be twice as strong as Person X.

      Now you can claim DBZ did this a lot, but there was always a REASON (Zenkai boost, potential unlocked, hyperbolic time chamber, etc), but no, instead in Dragon Ball Super people just magically get stronger by standing around in filler episodes. Filler is the new training/Zenkai boost.

  • The_Totax
    Reply

    personally i dont like the new “oh potara on mortals only lasts an hour.” i honestly think thats just so they dont have to use the dragon balls to split them apart again. im assuming that we dont see vegito again for a long time after this and for my own stories that wont be a thing that sticks to my own canon. (i wont however apply my canon to the official canon. this is just for my own stories.)

    • ThatMixedKid
      Reply

      Don’t you remember when they used them before? They separated right? Are you retarded? It’s not new. The shit happened before

      • Kaemon
        Reply

        Yes… After being told, by the same Gods (equivalent on our Universe) that the fusion will be forever, not “1 hour because you are mortals”, and also not “maybe 5 minutes if you use a lot of energy”.
        Dragon Ball Super really does feel non-cannon.

        Both the previously cannon “got separated by Buu’s assimilation system thingie” and Dragon Ball Multiverse “got separated by Dai Kaioshin’s remains being against fused mortals” make more sense than coming up with a “last 1 hour, tops, on mortals” out of nowhere.

        But ey… Makes more sense than Trunk’s pseudo-Genki-dama and never-ending ass-pulled powerups.

        • darkracer
          Reply

          gowasu knows whis and beerus. and i think even zeno. (or atleast he heard of zeno)
          NONE of the kais in dbz were like that.
          they were lazy untrained kais. they knew nothing.
          elder kai was the same as roshi. unlike gowasu who is an educated serine kai.
          they sepperated before because of the time limit. it wasn’t because of buu

  • Sniber
    Reply

    One of the best BUT Most inconsistent episode of DBS so far

    trunks and vegeta overpowered merged zamasu’s beam, goku did the same alone, kioken x 10 goku stalemated and Knocked out merged zamasu, trunks with combined power of few humans and goku vegeta beat merged zamasu. All this happened even though potara multiples powers so fused zamasu must be million or infinite times stronger than black / vegeta / goku. How ? WTF ??

    Also trunks with power of few humans and goku vegeta beat zamasu more quickly than vegito. who is supposed to be millions / infinite times stronger than goku. Again WTF ??

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    By the way where are those vegeta fantards who were saying vegeta is stronger than goku ? LOL Vegeta and trunks need to combine power to overcome zamasu’s beam. Goku did it alone withOUT kioken PLUS he actually damaged zamasu.
    And Kioken Goku Knocked out Zamasu and stalemated him. If kioken would have lasted longer goku might have won alone.

    I always knew that whenever vegeta seems to be able to catch up to goku, Akira pulls out some new stuff and then Goku far surpasses Vegeta leaving him in the dust.

    • DurinRath
      Reply

      The Goku part of Fused-Zamau’s pseudo-immortal body was his weakness, they weakened it, exploited it and killed him, very simple.

      Not clear why Goku’s attack was stronger than Vegeta+Trunks galik gun-combo, perhaps due the nature of Goku’s kamehameha?, maybe it’s naturally a more powerful attack and does more damage to an opponent than galik gun? and the fact that Goku never showed/used his “full power” as he did while launching the attack against zamasu, before?

      and Fused-Zamasu is stronger than Vegito, Goku and Trunks, it’s just that his pseudo-immortal body is not strong enough to withstand the ‘combined/concentrated/spirit-bomb fused’ Z-sword attack from false/psedup-ssjss Trunks.

      • Sniber
        Reply

        He shouldn’t even need immortality to deal with goku vegeta trunks. His power alone should be millions or infinite x more than them. Because potara is supposed to multiply powers. So he should just shrug off their attacks like nothing.

        • DurinRath
          Reply

          hmm ok, but Vegeta was stronger than Goku-black before they fused, and non-fused-zamasu is also significantly weaker (power level wise) when compared to ssb vegeta and goku, right? (he only has an immortal body)..

          • Sniber

            1) No he was not. Vegeta raged and became temporarily stronger than black then black raged and again became stronger then vegeta when he tore apart space time with his scythe and was taking care of both goku vegeta together.

            2) yeah non fused zamasu is weaker than SSB, but so what ? he is still around post god SS2 Goku level so his power level must be either infinite or at least far beyond millions so merged zamasu should be AT LEAST millions times stronger than black because potara was A x B
            ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

            3) Producer himself said that apart from beerus/whis, black is the strongest character in this arc before fused zamasu appeared.

            Also goku’s kamehameha did more damage than trunks + vegeta combined galik gun so SSB Goku > SSB Vegeta + SS2 trunks

            And since ssb vegeta put up better fight with black as compared to godlike ss2 trunks did

            so i think power order goes like this
            kioken goku > ssr black > ssb goku > ssb vegeta > godlike ss2 trunks

          • DurinRath

            ” yeah non fused zamasu is weaker than SSB, but so what ?”, that explains why the fused form isn’t millionX stronger than ssb vegito, goku or vegeta as you said earlier.. and maybe only around the same level as ssb vegito or slightly higher..

          • Sniber

            are you even reading my comment or not ? i never said merged zamasu should be million x vegito. i said

            1) merged zamasu should be million x black
            2) ssb vegito should be million x ssb goku

            vegeta or nonfused zamasu are far above millions in power level on their own so that much boost they should be providing to their fusion partner, because potara = a x b. this is very simple concept. I hope you got my point

          • DurinRath

            million just isn’t right, on what basis are u concluding that it is million times black’s power level?. potara – axb? lol.. that can’t be true, potara is a+b of individuals power level and to that resultant power level there might some multiplier added like 2 – 3 etc.., according to some wiki’s at-least..

          • Sniber

            wiki are edited by common people like us, not by official authorities so it counts for nothing.
            a x b is stated by an official authority member, perhaps in guidebook or in an interview. i have seen it myself. i will try to find it and send you the link for proof.

            SERIOUSLY ? You don’t even know about power levels ? DBZ used to have this system since beginning when saiyans came to earth. and power level of SS1 Goku was 150 million in Namek saga, after that akira said power levels became so high that it became immeasurable so they never used it afterwards. Cell and androids we stated to have infinite power.

            So from there i am saying that using a x b, fused zamasu must be either millions or else infinite times stronger than black

          • DurinRath

            answer/address my point and stop making blatant claims that I don’t know/understand facts/concepts.. it’s annoying dude..

            I’ll wait for the proof, but it seems illogical that it is a*b.. to me..

          • Sniber

            http://i.neoseeker .com/mgv/870828/828/36/1tlTK4.png
            remove the space before .com and paste this link.
            its stated in super exciting guide volume 63. this one is from kanzenshuu.
            and if you didnt know about power levels then you need to clear up your basics first, its not my fault. they are used in manga, anime, guidebooks, author’s interviews everywhere.

          • DurinRath

            ofcourse I know about power levels xD, who watches DBZ and doesn’t about power levels?, don’t be silly.. it’s just that I don’t agree to the fact that potara fusion is a*b of individuals power level, that’s all..

            as for that picture you sent, how am I supposed to know if it’s canon to super?.

          • Sniber

            Because it is for DBZ and DBS is just continuation of DBZ thats why everything from DBZ applies to DBS. You ask really stupid questions

          • DurinRath

            because it’s DBZ?!?.., that picture you sent me is supposed to DBZ?? lol..hilarious.. prove how the picture is linked to DBZ first.. then maybe I’ll consider your arguments, and also look into my reply towards your claim that ‘fusion dance is better than potara fusion’, I think I’ve broken your claim completely..

          • Sniber

            1) sorry but you have dyslexia. its stated there “super exciting guide volume 63”. GO F*CKING READ IT. Also you have no idea about Kanzenshuu website itself
            2) You have done nothing other than proving that you don’t know basic shit about DBZ and don’t understand what is written in simple english.
            3) you are just in denial and hence its pointless arguing with you

          • Sniber

            YES IT IS. ITS NOT LOGIC. ITS FACT. You are asking how are official DBZ guidebooks are official to DBZ. GO LEARN BASICS OF DBZ. GO CHECK OUT WHAT OFFICIAL MATERIALS ARE PUBLISHED FOR DBZ. All my claims are true, you bullshit trials for defending dbs is ridiculous non sense fanboy attemps which i crushed completely. DBS is illogical non sense inconsistent. SUCK IT. Hell do you even know who Goku is ? Let me give you a hint. He wears orange LOL. Now go way. you are annoying

          • Sniber

            you are a result of interbreeding between dogs pigs and humans, go ask your mama you pathetic unwanted defected child HAHA you are unnecessary burden on earth

          • DurinRath

            ya keep uttering shit you lowlife, still no answer as to where you are from (country/city/home address), I dare you answer this question as well, if not it proves you have no-balls, and all the abuse that you directed towards be will apply you to you instead, what do you say?, dare to take up a challenge like a man?, if not accept that you are what you claim/abuse others to be..

          • Sniber

            If you reply me under my comment then I will keep abusing as long as i want. you can’t stop me. your only option is to block me LOL. you bloody dog-shit eater, illiterate cunt slumdog mentally deficient worthless piece of shit sucker a$$hole
            Your slut whore mommy got f*cked in the streets by men and dogs together flling in her pussy and ass mouth together and thats how you were born you never asked me this, at least not here, and as i said i wont bother to be reading your comments anywhere else. i am from podolsk russia, come get me if you can you motherf*cker, sisterf*cker son on bitch
            i bet you cant even get outside of your house without your mommy’s permission and acting all tough here as if you can go pick up a fight with someone haha, because bitch you would have yourself broken.

            you have no balls or guts to say words for yourself and so just like a primary school kid you say “this insult is directed towards you” HAHAHA you are patheic, low level lifeless creature who has no worth, nobody would care if you are just wiped out from this planet HAHA.

          • DurinRath

            ahahha.. funny dude, wow.. you actually took time to write me all this abuse?.. this is entertaining actually.. lets see what you in store for me next.. go ahead type your next abuse :D.. I’ll grab some popcorn lmao!..

          • Sniber

            sure, have some more you bloody gayass dog-shit eater, illiterate cunt slumdog mentally deficient worthless piece of shit sucker a$$hole
            Your slut whore mommy got f*cked in the streets by men and dogs together flling in her pussy and ass mouth together and thats how you were born you motherf*cker, sisterf*cker son on bitch whore slut

          • Sniber

            since you are out of tears and i have humiliated you as much as i wanted so i am just throwing you out of here by blocking you. F*ck yourself cocksucker

          • DurinRath

            even if it were so, none of your claims hold true, so let him be a million times more powerful or whatever (just think for one second if this is even practical), so what?, power levels deplete over time, and it was a 3v1 fight (none of them stood a chance against him during their first brawl/round) and in the end it took the concentrated power from many of the people around including the z fighter-gods to take him down (so it makes perfect sense).. he took damage only after goku’s attack damaged his halo..

  • Sniber
    Reply

    where are those vegeta fantards who were saying vegeta is stronger than goku ? LOL Vegeta and trunks need to combine power to overcome zamasu’s beam. Goku did it alone withOUT kioken PLUS he actually damaged zamasu.
    And Kioken Goku Knocked out Zamasu and stalemated him. If kioken would have lasted longer goku might have won alone.

    I always knew that whenever vegeta seems to be able to catch up to goku, Akira pulls out some new stuff and then Goku far surpasses Vegeta leaving him in the dust.

      • Sniber
        Reply

        when its translated in my country language it is pronounced as kioken and its official translation so it’s correct. By the way are you so much butthurt by seeing vegeta left behind that you have no other way to take out your frustration than to check spellings ? ROFL you are lifeless and pathetic

        • Black
          Reply

          1. No one cares about your third world country, so no, it’s not official. Especially since “ki” means something totally different in DB than “kai”.

          2. Who gives a shit about Vegeta? He’s always been second to Goku and now even Trunks is stronger., lmao.
          3. Don’t be mad boi, Trunks is the future.
          4. You’re quite an impressive imbecile, you can’t even spell the insults you’re writing, that’s a special case of autism.

          • Sniber

            1. no one cares about a nobody like you or your stupid world country classifications so f*ck off and go check what official means in a dictionary. they have rights for translations and broadcasting, thats what make it official. and around 1/6th population of world belong to my country so yeah pretty much everybody cares about it.
            2. you give a shit, thats why you are here crying a river
            3. i spelled everything correctly. It appears that you dont understand english and slang terms used in chats and are so insecure of it that you need to bring others down to get a feeling that you have higher status when the truth is that you are unwanted child who doesn’t get attention from society. Mentally deficient dumbf*cks like you shouldn’t even be allowed in social media.
            4. HAHA Kid i haven’t even started to insult you. If I do you will be sorry why you ever replied to me. Now go back crying to your mommy before i actually start.

  • Platano
    Reply

    Okay so Kiaoken Goku can knockout Zamasu and false ssgss trucks can hold off Zamasu but VEGITO WHOS PROBALLY IS THE STRONGEST CHARACTER IN THE SERIES BLOWS A FINAL KAMEHAMEHA DOES JACK SHIT TO ZAMASU. THE MAN BARLEY REACTED TO THAT ATTACK LET ALONE BLOCKED IT. SMH SOO INCONSISTANT EVERYONE WAS HYPED FOR THIS RETURN AND WE DIDNT EVEN GET TO SEE HIM FOR NO LONGER THAN 10 MINS. FUCK TURNINING OFF ALL CAPS IM SOO PISSED OFF RN. LIKE SERIOUSLY? HOW CAN YOU FUCK THIS UP????? SMH AKIRA SMOKED WAYYYYY TOO MUCH CRACK IN MAKING THIS EPISODE. BIGGEST UPSET IN THE SERIES BY FAR

  • Varun Gupta
    Reply

    Vegito coming is like Peoples demand…only for fans sake they put a small fight between VEGITO and ZAMASU….seriously it should not end with trunks broken sword….u are right ravi rathore this episode is bullshit..

  • Zachary Bowman
    Reply

    I know there’s a lot of issues with the plot devises in this episode, but something to hope for is this… Manga is Cannon as apposed to the series. For instance, although in the anime Goku went Kaio-Ken in SSB while fighting Hit, that did not happen in the Manga so it isn’t cannon. It was filler to make the show longer. Also in the manga, Trunks can reach the power of Goku’s SSJ3 without going past SSJ2 which does not happen in the anime. In DBZ the explanation of Vegito defusing is COMPLETELY different than the one is Super yes, also the fact that Gawas-whatever randomly had information about mortals time period when using them even though they were only really used by Kai’s. I guarantee this will not be what happens in the manga, nor will they come up with such a crap explanation.

    Also to rant a bit, Toriyama did release a small manga as I’m sure some of you know that was part of the Resurrection F movie. It led through the movie JUST before Frieza went Golden and there was no stupid big Red guy that was SOMEHOW able to go toe to toe with Piccolo WHO is between the power level of Cell 1st form and Cell 2nd form… Gohan also did not stupidly get his lights punched out by Frieza in 1st form in the manga. They add filler in the show to make it longer and alot of times it’s just annoying.

    So don’t worry, I doubt that will actually be the reasoning in the manga of Super

      • Zardock
        Reply

        You’re right, if Trunks can go from being completely wrecked by Zamasu, to being on par with SSGSS Vegeta in one episode, then surely Gohan can become SSGSS in one episode. Anything can happen in Super whether it makes sense or not

  • TsugumiBestGrill
    Reply

    That Vegito fight was purely fan service… I see the writers developing and molding Gotenks and Trunks in the next arc to become great fighters.

  • SRZ
    Reply

    WTF Toei??!?!!?!!!? What is even going on, so essentially vegito will be useless because if you try to hard you unfuse anyway, does that mean only gogeta is an option in practicality? when vegeta doesn’t even know the fusion dance? why just write vegito out, i really don’t get it, and i wish they’d just state somewhere that zamasu is weakened, power scaling was so bad, why was injured, nearly dead goku able to 1 on 1 zamasu, then vegito was barely winning it instead of stomping it.

    • OA
      Reply

      Sad thing is gogeta wouldn’t last nearly as long. Fusion dance in the base form is only half an hour. Each transformation up is less. So ssb would only be a few minutes

      • Sniber
        Reply

        SS4 gogeta lasted longer than this SSB Vegito and gogeta was powerful enough to hurt someone just by staring at him. Even if Super is better than GT, still SSJ4s were far more badass and cooler than these god forms. Face it.

        • DurinRath
          Reply

          “powerful enough to hurt someone just by staring at him”, I think that could be a ‘funny move bonus’ that the dance-fusion grants to the fusees or something lol, just like gotenks’s super-ghost attack?.. it doesn’t necessarily represent power , more like a humor attribute..

          • Sniber

            now that you stopped replying me at my original comments, you switched to replying me in others comment repeating the similar shit ? LOL its pointless arguing with you cuz you are just in denial.

          • DurinRath

            whatever dude, you are all over the forum with your hate comments towards DBS with your illogical arguments, Mr. GT fan boy, Super needs defending..

          • Sniber

            as i said you dont understand what is being said, i clearly wrote Super is better than GT is this very comment where you replied but you have some physical inability in reading properly. This is a FACT not insult.
            You are a f*cking dbs fanboy and logical comments appear illogical to you cuz you are mentally deficient. Again, fact not insult.

          • DurinRath

            so what does this comment mean you fool “Even if Super is better than GT, still SSJ4s were far more badass and cooler than these god forms. Face it.”?

          • Sniber

            Learn english language you illiterate cunt to understand what it means you idiot, I already destroyed all your arguments about fusions where you replied me in my original post but as usual you dont understand what is written, you just stay in denial thats why i dont give a f*ck what you believe. your opinion means nothing to me so dont come crying to me, go to someone else.

          • DurinRath

            ya right, you wish I were don’t you? ahaha.. first off calm down and learn to respect other people, by typing “even if” before any statement you are suggesting a doubt and or a probability to the statement that follows, learn that first. so by saying “Even if Super is better than GT” you are in fact suggesting that GT might be superior to Super, which is not agreeable at all, as it is a universal fact that GT was an utter flop.

            “still SSJ4s were far more badass and cooler than these god forms. Face it.”, and this statement clearly shows that you prefer GT over Super, by saying words like ‘face it’ and favoring characters displayed in ‘GT over super’ etc.. you are only showing your contempt towards DBS and it’s characters and it’s logic/plot etc.. none of which are true and are ridiculously ludicrous.

          • Sniber

            Cry harder. I ain’t gonna waste more time on you. you are the ONLY one here stupid enough to believe that DBS is consistent and makes sense.

          • DurinRath

            it’s you who is pissed off and is persistent in roasting people around here (DBS fanboys) for silly reasons, and nope I’m not the only one, there are many, use your eyes xD..

            and again you are off with your attempts to damage DBS’s reputation just cause of some personal dislike or maybe you are paid to do this sort of shit who knows,, people like you should be banned from the forums instantly , what a disgrace..

          • DurinRath

            did you get my reasoning as to why potara fusion is better than fusion-dance?, here it is again,

            haha, you can have your ‘opinions’ bro, I’m not against them, it’s just that I like to have interesting/intellectual discussions with people (even if it consumes much of my time).. and it is you who is pulling shit out of odd places to downplay this episode and ssb vegito, not me.. in fact there are many references available in the series itself to prove that potara fusion is stronger than fusion-dance (no one other than you will agree to this xD, there are many videos about
            this too, do check it)..factually I think both fusion’s give the almost-same power level boost but potara is a better-overall fusion cause –
            1.old kai says so himself in one of the dbz episodes apparently,
            2.lasts longer than fusion dance.
            3.chooses the strongest attributes (body, fighting style etc..) of each fusee rather than the “hybrid” type in fusion dance.
            4.the fusee’s don’t have to lower/balance out their power levels when fusing.
            5.there doesn’t seem to be a multiplier added to the dance-fusion state and
            hence the resultant fusee might end up in a lower power level than the
            original fusees, apart from the exceptional cases of gotenks and gogeta ,
            where the fusees have similar power levels, and so the resultant fusee
            turnsout to be slightly more stronger, I think personally the fusion-dance
            multiplier is more like (a/2 + b/2)*x, and hence slightly-weaker than potara.

            and your explanation as to why fusion-dance is stronger than potara fusion is laughable, “they can’t do shit without fusion” lolthey were ssj’s without fusion dance, “if gotenks is tough enough to sustain his ss3 then goten trunks should be tough enough for their ss3 which would be a lot weaker than gotenk’s ss3.” completely idiotic explanation here lol, (no offense) cause of the fact that the fused bodywill always be stronger than the fusees bodies given that they are equally strong when combining, hence might grant the ability to perform transformations that are not otherwise performable when unfused..

          • DurinRath

            that’s right, you don’t have the skill nor the intelligence nor the attitude, you are nothing. less than nothing..

          • Sniber

            poor fanboy is butthurt and wants to have last word haha go ahead kid, i am mature and dont care about last word cuz it doesnt matter, so i wont read or reply you further comment. Keep crying infront of everyone else here. Bye bye you mentally defected worthless piece of shit. And stop sucking super’s dick.

          • DurinRath

            and dont try to divert my attention here, I thrashed every single one of your claims to the ground, I dare you counter my argument that I made against your potara fusion claim..

  • OA
    Reply

    I’m not gonna be a stupid fanboy and try to question every thing that happens here. If there isn’t an explanation now there will be one soon, or one in a little while. I think this was an extremely epic finalé to the most fearsome villain seen in the dbz universe (beerus is in a gray area) even though vegito, who is one of my favorite characters, didn’t get to be the one to end him. It didn’t make much sense how he unfused early but I’m sure it’ll be explained.

  • Gii
    Reply

    not going to lie i expected so much more from vegito…. wanted him to go tfoff, but i knew theyd make trunks the one to save everyone smh

  • Sniber
    Reply

    I have ALWAYS been disappointed for horribly slow pace of DBZ. Now DBS has comparatively faster pace but still not as much as required. BUT TODAY I felt that it was even faster than required. It felt too rushed. I mean Kioken, Fusion, Combining Kis into one all in same episode ? Plus fast motion battles. WOW ! I loved it.

  • Sniber
    Reply

    trunks + vegeta + goku + humans beat zamasu more quickly than vegito so vegito = almost 3 x goku
    so now gogeta is far stronger because guidebook says gogeta = several tens of times (goku + vegeta).
    Plus even SS4 Gogeta lasted longer than SSB Vegito. LOL so much for “no time limit fusion”. Looks on all vegito fanboys faces are priceless HAHA

    • DurinRath
      Reply

      ofcourse ss4 gogeta lasted longer than ssb vegito, it’s cause that form consumes lesser energy that is needed to sustain fusion than ssb form..

      • DurinRath
        Reply

        hang on you mean gogeta.. come to think of it , it is strange, how long do you think both fusion forms lasted? (do you have a numerical value?)..

        • DurinRath
          Reply

          how long do you think both fusion forms lasted? (do you have a numerical value?).. also gogeta is ‘non-canon’ , so time of fusion displayed in the movie might have been in-accurate..

          • Sniber

            movie and GT are the very things in which gogeta exist so whatever is shown in them, are the facts for gogeta.
            ss4 gogeta lasted for 10-15 minutes as stated. SSB vegito lasted 7 minutes 30 seconds.

          • DurinRath

            could it be possible that, 7min 30 sec displayed in the anime could’ve been longer/shorter than actuality/reality?, i.e. ‘some events were skipped/time was accelerated’ so as to avoid boredom?..

          • Sniber

            its possible but since there is no indication of that happening in this case so we can’t just assume that time was faster or slower.

          • DurinRath

            they are facts of gogeta , yes.. but since movie/GT gogeta form appearances are non-canon to super, they should not be compared based on time to sustain fusion alone..

            and again dance-fusion is not superior to potara fusion, check your facts bro..

          • Sniber

            your 1st point makes absolutely zero sense. thats like saying superman is non canon to dbz to goku and superman should not be compared. We can compare whatever we want. for gogeta we will use time from movies or GT, for vegeto we will use time from dbz and dbs. We will just treat them as two different fictional universes.

            Its just my opinion. Considering that fusion dance took goten trunks to ss3 level which none of them could do alone, and potara fusion didnt take vegito beyond the level goku vegeta alreay were, i can safely say that fusion dance provide higher power boost and now since both are temporary so i can say that overall fusion dance is superior. Just my opinion though.

          • DurinRath

            that as never my point, it was “they should not be compared based on time to sustain fusion alone..”, note ‘time to sustain fusion’..

          • Sniber

            i am not comparing them based on that time alone. i was just comparing the time itself.

            ss3 was definitely due to fusion alone. if there was some other factor then goten or trunks should be able to become ss3 even after unfused.
            Gogeta never needed ssj3. He destroyed super janemba in 1 shot as ssj1. But of course he could have turned ss3 because goku alone can do that.
            Also while fighting omega shenron ss4 gogeta was dominating completely so he never needed to ascend higher.

          • DurinRath

            yes you are, you just said above that ssj3 gogeta lasted longer than ssb vegito and hence ssb vegito shown in this episode was somehow weaker/wrongly portrayed….

          • DurinRath

            haha, you can have your ‘opinions’ bro, I’m not against them, it’s just that I like to have interesting/intellectual discussions with people (even if it consumes much of my time).. and it is you who is pulling shit out of odd places to downplay this episode and ssb vegito, not me.. in fact there are many references available in the series itself to prove that potara fusion is stronger than fusion-dance (no one other than you will agree to this xD, there are many videos about this too, do check it)..factually I think both fusion’s give the same power level boost but potara is a better fusion cause –
            1.old kai says so himself in one of the dbz episodes apparently,
            2.lasts longer than fusion dance.
            3.chooses the strongest attributes (body, fighting style etc..) of each fusee rather than the “hybrid” type in fusion dance.
            4.the fusee’s don’t have to lower/balance out their power levels when fusing.
            5.there doesn’t seem to be a multiplier added to the dance-fusion state and hence the resultant fusee might end up in a lower power level than the original fusees, apart from the exceptional cases of gotenks and vegeta , where the fusees have similar power levels, and so the resultant fusee turns out to be slightly more stronger, I think personally the fusion-dance multiplier is more like (a/2 + b/2)*x, and hence weaker than potara.

            and your explanation as to why fusion-dance is stronger than potara fusion is laughable, “they can’t do shit without fusion” lol they were ssj’s without fusion dance, “if gotenks is tough enough to sustain his ss3 then goten trunks should be tough enough for their ss3 which would be a lot weaker than gotenk’s ss3.” completely idiotic explanation here lol, (no offense) cause of the fact that the fused body will always be stronger than the fusees bodies given that they are equally strong when combining, hence might grant the ability to perform transformations that are not otherwise be able to be carrier out when unfused..

          • DurinRath

            haha, you can have your ‘opinions’ bro, I’m not against them, it’s
            just that I like to have interesting/intellectual discussions with
            people (even if it consumes much of my time).. and it is you who is
            pulling shit out of odd places to downplay this episode and ssb vegito,
            not me.. in fact there are many references available in the series
            itself to prove that potara fusion is stronger than fusion-dance (no one
            other than you will agree to this xD, there are many videos about this
            too, do check it)..factually I think both fusion’s give the almost-same
            power level boost but potara is a better-overall fusion cause –
            1.old kai says so himself in one of the dbz episodes apparently,
            2.lasts longer than fusion dance.
            3.chooses the strongest attributes (body, fighting style etc..) of each fusee rather than the “hybrid” type in fusion dance.
            4.the fusee’s don’t have to lower/balance out their power levels when fusing.
            5.there
            doesn’t seem to be a multiplier added to the dance-fusion state and
            hence the resultant fusee might end up in a lower power level than the
            original fusees, apart from the exceptional cases of gotenks and gogeta ,
            where the fusees have similar power levels, and so the resultant fusee
            turns out to be slightly more stronger, I think personally the
            fusion-dance multiplier is more like (a/2 + b/2)*x, and hence weaker
            than potara.

            and your explanation as to why fusion-dance is
            stronger than potara fusion is laughable, “they can’t do shit without
            fusion” lol they were ssj’s without fusion dance, “if gotenks is tough
            enough to sustain his ss3 then goten trunks should be tough enough for
            their ss3 which would be a lot weaker than gotenk’s ss3.” completely
            idiotic explanation here lol, (no offense) cause of the fact that the
            fused body will always be stronger than the fusees bodies given that
            they are equally strong when combining, hence might grant the ability to
            perform transformations that are not otherwise performable when
            unfused..

          • DurinRath

            they are facts of gogeta , yes.. but since movie/GT gogeta form appearances are non-canon to super, they should not be compared based on time to sustain fusion alone..

            and again dance-fusion is not stronger than potara fusion, check your facts bro..

    • Zardock
      Reply

      As much as I hate people using the word Autistic, it actually describes this episode’s consistency pretty well. I feel like some kids are getting drunk and making horribly inconsistent fan fiction with some of these episodes.

  • Barkóczi János
    Reply

    What happed with the power levels?
    In DBZ Vegito pl was about (Goku + Vegeta) * 5
    And now about Goku+Vegeta
    If vegeta and goku almost can stand up with Zamasu, Vegito should erase him with a blink.

  • out
    Reply

    so many complains . focus on the positives not negatives people damn. that super sword was beast! trunks has become one of my new favorites. his will power can’t be beat.

  • Aniket Prabhu
    Reply

    Only if people would expect something out of their pathetic lives than an anime episode then the world would be a much better place. BTW, This episode was fantastic! VEGITOOOOOO!!!!!! I still remember his cocky debut. ALRIIIIIGHT!!!!

  • WhereThereDude
    Reply

    Do you guys remember when goku and beerus were screwing the world (or universe i dont remember) for fighting full power? what about this ?

  • hombre!
    Reply

    The plot holes, discrepancies and new logic are so bad that at this point I’m thinking two things:
    1) Akira is old and getting senile and can’t think right anymore 2) Toei created Super for the sole purpose of selling merchandise. Not a single bit of attention is being given to following the logic of the DB universe and it is annoying.

  • Hoemayoen Nahory
    Reply

    i think most of you don’t understand how zamasu got killed by Trunks i don’t think Trunks is stronger than Vegito not even close i think Zamasu was at his lowest and trunks had the energy to kill finish him vegito just played and brought zamasu his energy level down and just for the story they let Trunks kill him and ended somehow vegito’s fusion

    • Zardock
      Reply

      I don’t think you understand we’re not upset about Trunks killing Zamasu. The part before that is what we are upset about, him easily being on the same level as SSGSS Goku/Vegeta with NO training, NO explained powerup at all, just suddenly he is as strong as one of them was. Not long ago he is getting completely wrecked by Zamasu, then (no training at all later) he is now on par with SSGSS Goku/Vegeta? That makes no fucking sense.

  • Nax
    Reply

    one of the best dragonball episodes ever.
    Trunks, the music, the dialogues, the fight, zamasu, everything is just perfect in this episode

  • Mak Pop
    Reply

    kinda bs that trunks learned to use and fuse with this spirit sword in an instant, goku had training from a kai for it and Trunks shoudnt even know what it is because he never seen goku use the spirit bomb before. And people mentioning the fight goku had with android 13, it wasnt even a cannon same for broly movie …
    After all these episodes im still dissapointed in the logic and non martial arts short battles

    • DurinRath
      Reply

      maybe he performed it accidentally?, examine the scene carefully bro, he and goku/vegeta where all equally surprised that he was amassing a spirit bomb attack..

  • Pakari
    Reply

    I liked the idea behind Trunks basically becoming what I like to call a “Spirit Saiyan” (Super Saiyan with power boost gained in a way similar to the Spirit Bomb). Trunks is the hero of that future, and as such, it stands to reason that HE should be the one to kill Zamasu.
    I admit I was disappointed by the whole “one hour limit for those who aren’t Kaioshin” part, but it’s still a better explanation than “Buu absorbing them undid the fusion, but didn’t instantly split Gotenks”.

  • Hobomanchild
    Reply

    Watching the video. Yeah. Nice. Oh right, we’re doing the power of friendship thing. Good enough. Okay Trunks go ahead and…

    DUDE! TRUNKS! Did you just slash that dude in the DICK!? Not cool, man! Brutal, but totally not cool!

    Except when it was.

  • space_spectre
    Reply

    thought Zeno was go into be the one
    To kill fusion zamasu.

    Watching dbs is almost like being a kid
    Again watching toonami in the early 2000s and late 90s

  • Ovidiu Caramida
    Reply

    Fuck dragon ball super. Everything that happens is total bullshit, nothing makes any sense.
    The show contradicts itself at least 2-3 times every episode. I’m done with this

  • SCHÄDEL[Emirat]
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    1. vegetto wasnt as strong as he should be
    2. Goku use his Kaioken, although he said he can’t use it.
    3. Potaras just work 1 hour? WHAT THE FUCK – it was always like: permanently, why it isn’t just 1 hour for zamasu?
    4. Trunks gets energy… He can get EVERY FUCKING energy on the world, they are just human they don’t have energy, and why he can beat zamasu?

    • Black
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      1. It’s Vegito, not Vegetto.
      2. He CAN use it, as seen in the fight against Hit.
      3. Didn’t you watch the episode? It’s permanent for Kaioshin’s, but not for mortals.
      4. Yes they have energy, have you never seen the spirit bomb?

      You sound like as if you have never watched DBZ/DBZ before.

  • Jens Ingels
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    I have a feeling they tried todo to many things add ones in this episode. Suddenly adding a new rule the potara only works for a fell hours is rather stuppid. I would rather have seen them fused for some episodes. It would be really funny to let them own berus in that form.

  • SCHÄDEL[Emirat]
    Reply

    1. It’s Vegito, not Vegetto.

    2. He CAN use it, as seen in the fight against Hit.

    3. Didn’t you watch the episode? It’s permanent for Kaio-shin’s, but not for mortals.

    4. Yes they have energy, have you never seen the spirit bomb?

    1. Its called here Vegetto, at least in Europe. And still: Vegetto was low as fuck in this ep
    2. He said he can’t use it anymore, after he did it at hit. Do you watch db super or not?
    3. WHY THE OTHER kayo from dbz said its permanently?!
    4. Spirit bomb=one attack, from 7billion people, today: 100people who are maybe a life=a new form for trunks, without he did anything

    om my god pls man

  • Aaron Soldier
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    *Sigh

    Wow just WOW. Wow….just….wow….I can’t even…..Oh God this episode was a complete nightmare, i’m just so shocked it turned out this way.
    So you’re actually telling me, Trunks who was a mere SSJ2 at the beginning of the saga, never gained SSJ3 and never trained once since then or even did the SSJ god ritual or trained with Whis, SURPASSED Goku and Vegeta, who trained years with Whis, were SSGSS, universe busters, etc? Nah I ain’t buying it. I don’t care what you think, this episode is garbage and the saga had so much potential, how the fuck did Trunks surpass Goku and Vegeta, also Zamasu claims to be immortal and Black Goku has infinite amounts of power so his power always expands, how the flying fuck did Trunks beat these guys??? Lol wtf is this? Naruto? Some pansy BS made for the younger generation of Anime fans? I literally rather duck my head in the toilet then watch this utter BS garbage. Supposedly Zamasu and Black Goku killed every god in Trunk’s time-line, and yet Trunks beat Zamasu and Black Goku, so by that logic, does that mean Trunks>King of Everything? Lol Trunks is on GOD level now, wtf is this BS?

    What made Z so special, is the fact it was gritty and its story made sense, on the otherhand in other Animes you have some big story and not even half of the plot points make sense and their obviously for young kids with short attention spans.

      • Zardock
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        He was already ridiculously overpowered before they gave him the energy. Trunks was fighting Zamasu on the same level as SSGSS Goku/Vegeta when he was only SS2/USS2? That is what everyone is talking about because it is not consistent with the last 4-5 episodes at all. Trunks finishing him with the spirit bomb/sword is fine, but BEFORE THAT, him being able to easily fight Zamasu with NO TRAINING NO EXPLAINED POWERUP Whatsoever and somehow he’s on the same level as SSGSS Vegeta/Goku, makes no fucking sense at all.

        • ThatGuy984
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          Give him some fucking credit we have no idea what he has been up to in the time between this saga and android saga other than killing Babidi and Dabura. He could of been training his ass off every day… Also Zamasu is SSJ2 lvl he isnt as strong as black nor Goku he is just simply immortal which is evident by him always getting smacked around by goku and vegita and getting back up. Trunks can easily fend off Zamusu by himself…even when Zamasu was coming towards Trunks and co while Goku and Vegita were occupied by Black. At that time Trunks said “If its just Zamasu…” regardless if he is imortal or not Trunks can hold his own against him.

          • Zardock

            You didn’t even respond to anything I said you just made up complete bullshit like ‘Zamasu is at SS2 level’ when he’s clearly not because he was wrecking SSGSS Goku/Vegeta, yet Trunks was able to take him on easily before the power gain.

            ‘Give him credit’ to Trunks makes no sense, we saw for 4-5 episodes where he did not train, and somehow in those 4-5 episodes he is now as strong as SSGSS Vegeta/Goku. That is the entire reason this episode was so ridiculous, which you did not respond to at all.

          • Zardock

            And remember we are not criticizing the fact that Trunks won with spirit bomb/sword, that part is completely acceptable. But the fight before that power gain does not make any sense, he is fighting on the same level as SSGSS Goku/Vegeta were. That is the complaint. Not him finishing Zamasu with the spirit bomb, but the fact he is somehow being on par with SSGSS Goku/Vegeta and it’s not explained at all.

  • Mofiz
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    So many nostalgia faggots complaining about how “illogical” it is, just to prove how they don’t know anything about DBZ at all, lol

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